-------------------------------------- ICQ History Log For: 158563952 Jack Palmer Started on Sun Sep 01 00:09:00 2002 -------------------------------------- Jack 8/31/200 9:08 PM hello kdhinc 8/31/200 9:09 PM Hi, Jack. Tried sending earlier, but didn't get through. Jack 8/31/200 9:09 PM My fault Jack 8/31/200 9:10 PM On the phone in other room Jack 8/31/200 9:10 PM You have my full undivided attention now! kdhinc 8/31/200 9:10 PM No problem. Great...I just need to type faster. Jack 8/31/200 9:10 PM Get a look at the script? kdhinc 8/31/200 9:11 PM yes. got a chance to go through a few of the call paterns kdhinc 8/31/200 9:11 PM The tell me voice seems a little slow Jack 8/31/200 9:12 PM how does the task at hand look in converting it to callxml? kdhinc 8/31/200 9:12 PM should not be tough at all kdhinc 8/31/200 9:12 PM The other big item is the database and saving/retrieving data Jack 8/31/200 9:13 PM I forgot to get you over to voxeo login tellbycell password lets go to voxeo and forget tellme as I am no longer there kdhinc 8/31/200 9:14 PM same script at voxeo? I imagine it is until changed to CallXML. kdhinc 8/31/200 9:15 PM You mentioned php and MySQL earlier. are these the language and database of choice for implementation? Jack 8/31/200 9:15 PM yes, that is what I had the India guy begin yesterday. I can t show you it til 2am ish your time as that is when they awake Jack 8/31/200 9:15 PM no, past projects kdhinc 8/31/200 9:17 PM kind of used to the late hours....had a coder that moved back to singapore when we were doing the Bridge Dialog gig. Probably only a few hours diffderence for you. Jack 8/31/200 9:18 PM It;'s the most frustrating thing, my login fails all the time at voxeo. Try downloading their software and logging in for an account ok? http://community.voxeo.com/designer/index.html kdhinc 8/31/200 9:18 PM do you want me to view voxeo work now? if so, I need password Jack 8/31/200 9:18 PM no bad for me to India and singapore. Hawaii is in the middle of nowhere. kdhinc 8/31/200 9:19 PM oopps my text just crossed yours over the pacific Jack 8/31/200 9:19 PM lol Jack 8/31/200 9:19 PM I will call their 24/7 support and you download the program and install in next 5 min ok? kdhinc 8/31/200 9:19 PM I tried logging into voxeo, but need the password. with my account, I have had good luck with voxeo kdhinc 8/31/200 9:20 PM I think I have that app....let me verify the version Jack 8/31/200 9:20 PM i stopped typing it cause it aint workin kdhinc 8/31/200 9:21 PM OK...I'll get program and wait for your response from support. kdhinc 8/31/200 9:24 PM Downloading now...it was the Nuance IDE I have Jack 8/31/200 9:26 PM hold please Jack 8/31/200 9:35 PM ok, I am back (phew) kdhinc 8/31/200 9:35 PM still here... got the designer Jack 8/31/200 9:35 PM I have been trying to tell the site admin at voxeo how much their navigation sucks Jack 8/31/200 9:36 PM I can now explain to you Jack 8/31/200 9:36 PM I was having a problem with the fact that although the pages for logging in are identicle Jack 8/31/200 9:36 PM There are two VERY seperate url communities Jack 8/31/200 9:37 PM the first being Community.voxeo.com Jack 8/31/200 9:37 PM The secons, where I had setup an account techpreview.voxeo.net Jack 8/31/200 9:38 PM tech has the beta 2.o and community has a stable platform for production (as ooposed to tech which is for testing kdhinc 8/31/200 9:38 PM what is the second? is that for account holders planning on paying for their services? kdhinc 8/31/200 9:39 PM I see.... we always used community for testing and prod....thech must be relatively new or they ignored the fact we used community for test Jack 8/31/200 9:39 PM I need to take a moment to sign up. But you can get in with my login at Jack 8/31/200 9:40 PM Yes, at some point you would build up to pay services (sales has been asked to contact me) Jack 8/31/200 9:40 PM yes, probably new. I suppose you could use your own account, yes? Jack 8/31/200 9:41 PM it has screwed me up well kdhinc 8/31/200 9:41 PM yes I am logged in. kdhinc 8/31/200 9:41 PM let me see if I can access anybody else's scripts Jack 8/31/200 9:41 PM http://masterhost.com/voxeo/VoxeoREVNEW.xml Jack 8/31/200 9:42 PM add this to yours ok? kdhinc 8/31/200 9:42 PM will do now Jack 8/31/200 9:42 PM http://masterhost.com/voxeo/VoxeoREV413b.vxml Jack 8/31/200 9:42 PM This was revised from the first I gave you Jack 8/31/200 9:43 PM ignore the first as it has many comments from support kdhinc 8/31/200 9:43 PM man, those guys in India are quick :-) Jack 8/31/200 9:43 PM I would actually like you to take the one from tellme and adapt. They lost several items on the two I showed you so bad to build from Jack 8/31/200 9:43 PM How can you tell? Jack 8/31/200 9:44 PM NO, you cant see INDIA here, it was corrections made for me last week from voxeo support kdhinc 8/31/200 9:44 PM just a bad joke based on the second URL ... can't expect high quyality humor on a Sat night Jack 8/31/200 9:45 PM India has not checked in today with what they have come up with kdhinc 8/31/200 9:45 PM to clarify Jack 8/31/200 9:45 PM My lousy name scheme (lol) kdhinc 8/31/200 9:46 PM urls you just gave me have suggested updates from Voxeo. I should use the code I downloaded from TellMe? Jack 8/31/200 9:46 PM correct Jack 8/31/200 9:46 PM then adapt kdhinc 8/31/200 9:46 PM I will add to my dev site.... point to there from Voxeo. kdhinc 8/31/200 9:47 PM What was ETA for updates from India ? Jack 8/31/200 9:47 PM tonight kdhinc 8/31/200 9:48 PM this call flow is just that... a call flow, correct? no data saving or logging? I have not gotten to the save reminder call flow yet kdhinc 8/31/200 10:00 PM got the script at my dev server. need to update with voxeo DTD Jack 8/31/200 10:05 PM sorry, on phone for last 10....I will now answer your post kdhinc 8/31/200 10:05 PM would you like me to update this to callxml? kdhinc 8/31/200 10:06 PM lol, wondering where you went Jack 8/31/200 10:06 PM yes save is there, then playback, then callback date...and therein is the error Jack 8/31/200 10:06 PM want you to if not too time consuming as it is double work Jack 8/31/200 10:06 PM It would be great to compare India and yours for the mere learning experience it presents kdhinc 8/31/200 10:07 PM is there a database backend? do you have the table layouts available? Jack 8/31/200 10:07 PM what is estimated time to update? kdhinc 8/31/200 10:10 PM need to look a little more, but I do not see the saves.... for instance, the setup form prompts for phone number and then disconnects... is that what you are looking for me (and India) to add or is this strickly a demo? Jack 8/31/200 10:11 PM it was not developed through. you are finding the deaD ENDS. Make notes on this as it is what you are here for OK? kdhinc 8/31/200 10:12 PM absolutely Jack 8/31/200 10:12 PM No backend, tables, DB Jack 8/31/200 10:13 PM Yes, I was not happy with this as it was supposed to be completed. I paid good hourly money and it is incomplete, you and I can see this however you far better than I. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:13 PM do you have a call flow in mind and on paper or just in mind? I have an idea as to how this should go, would you want that in code or in Call Flow Diagram? Jack 8/31/200 10:13 PM have on paper Jack 8/31/200 10:14 PM I actually read the code better and it helps me to learn instances of code Jack 8/31/200 10:14 PM I do not know if when you write it it can be printed as flow from voxeo designer or not, cool if it can kdhinc 8/31/200 10:15 PM would you mind emailing the CFD you have? I can go through and make suggestions followed by coding from there. no sense in coding and then changing Jack 8/31/200 10:15 PM I feel guilty for you trusting this project (you are just like me) however your wife will be beatin you up soon if you have no solid amounts to share, let us discuss what you have in mind please kdhinc 8/31/200 10:16 PM If what you have is the vxml, I can use designer or Nuance IDE to create graphic representation... not true CFD, but a start... Jack 8/31/200 10:16 PM I will try to find it. I forget how I received it. I will go through email now and look (est 5-10 min) Jack 8/31/200 10:16 PM Dont know how flow was generated, I think I got it as an image kdhinc 8/31/200 10:20 PM ahh the salary package question :-) funny how I choose to get to the fun part of the job first and then worry about the money...no wonder that first $10 million has not been earned yet Jack 8/31/200 10:21 PM join the club-FREE membership! kdhinc 8/31/200 10:23 PM Shall we discuss this over phone so that I do not mistype? I have a few more questions such as employment type, who's gonna pay taxes, any benefits (probably not considering the distance I am from home office), will I be traveling for sales calls, for conferences to make our presence known (either presenting, exhibit hall, or taking classes and pressing flesh), etc. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:26 PM I want to make sure we are on same page and good terms. I want to make sure we are both happy and comfortable with my duties and my compensation. I am willing to make damn sure this product is the best it can be ... helps both of us in the long run. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:27 PM I'll be right back Jack 8/31/200 10:27 PM I prefer to work a consultant fee, you deal with taxes. This will be a strong consideration based on expert accountants as I have a real prob giving a 3rd of my earnings away, personally. You will be given all travel expenses. The percentage of biz will cover your time mainly (mixed with what your salary may be).You never have to worry about speaking your mind.... Jack 8/31/200 10:27 PM ok Jack 8/31/200 10:30 PM You have to worry about NOT expressing your wants and needs. If a person feels justified and can back it up, nothing should be unreasonable, providing it is do-able (is that a real word yet?). Your own integrity and stock holdings should assure quality, I don't want to have come into your life to make it more difficult but less. If you focused 60 hours a week on 1 project, what would your monthly nut be before Disneyworld and Fine Dining? Jack 8/31/200 10:31 PM We have to shoestring next 30-60 days then we can justify salaries-after we prove from market test that this is going to fly. Our priorities now... Jack 8/31/200 10:33 PM We have to shoestring next 30-60 days then we can justify salaries-after we prove from market test that this is going to fly. Our priorities now... Jack 8/31/200 10:33 PM kdhinc: (5:28 PM) I want to make sure we are on same page and good terms. I want to make sure we are both happy and comfortable with my duties and my compensation. I am willing to make damn sure this product is the best it can be ... helps both of us in the long run. kdhinc: (5:28 PM) I'll be right back J.R.: (5:29 PM) I prefer to work a consultant fee, you deal with taxes. This will be a strong consideration based on expert accountants as I have a real prob giving a 3rd of my earnings away, personally. You will be given all travel expenses. The percentage of biz will cover your time mainly (mixed with what your salary may be).You never have to worry about speaking your mind.... J.R.: (5:29 PM) ok J.R.: (5:32 PM) You have to worry about NOT expressing your wants and needs. If a person feels justified and can back it up, nothing should be unreasonable, providing it is do-able (is that a real word yet?). Your own integrity and stock holdings should assure quality, I don't want to have come into your life to make it more difficult but less. If you focused 60 hours a week on 1 project, what would your monthly nut be before Disneyworld and Fine Dining? J.R.: (5:34 PM) We have to shoestring next 30-60 days then we can justify salaries-after we prove from market test that this is going to fly. Our priorities now... Message was sent. User is Offline. The message will be delivered when user goes Online. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:34 PM sorry ... had to leave for a few minutes...let me catch up.. Jack 8/31/200 10:35 PM Develop flawless code Submit tight patent Provide market test results to Investors this should be done in less than 2 weeks. I am hoping for first round in less than 30 days as they are already in place and awaiting decision making documentation from us (as outlined above) Jack 8/31/200 10:35 PM k kdhinc 8/31/200 10:37 PM ICQ went nuts here. I got that we want to develop flawless code submit patent test results to investors done i two weeks or less Jack 8/31/200 10:38 PM J.R.: (5:35 PM) kdhinc: (5:28 PM) I want to make sure we are on same page and good terms. I want to make sure we are both happy and comfortable with my duties and my compensation. I am willing to make damn sure this product is the best it can be ... helps both of us in the long run. kdhinc: (5:28 PM) I'll be right back J.R.: (5:29 PM) I prefer to work a consultant fee, you deal with taxes. This will be a strong consideration based on expert accountants as I have a real prob giving a 3rd of my earnings away, personally. You will be given all travel expenses. The percentage of biz will cover your time mainly (mixed with what your salary may be).You never have to worry about speaking your mind.... J.R.: (5:29 PM) ok J.R.: (5:32 PM) You have to worry about NOT expressing your wants and needs. If a person feels justified and can back it up, nothing should be unreasonable, providing it is do-able (is that a real word yet?). Your own integrity and stock holdings should assure quality, I don't want to have come into your life to make it more difficult but less. If you focused 60 hours a week on 1 project, what would your monthly nut be before Disneyworld and Fine Dining? J.R.: (5:34 PM) We have to shoestring next 30-60 days then we can justify salaries-after we prove from market test that this is going to fly. Our priorities now... Message was sent. User is Offline. The message will be delivered when user goes Online. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:39 PM from what you said earlier, angel cash coming in next week or so... do you anticipate full backing after that? Jack 8/31/200 10:39 PM angel cash probably 3 to 6 weeks kdhinc 8/31/200 10:39 PM I'm getting lots of noise in your transmissions... kdhinc 8/31/200 10:39 PM that's better ... Jack 8/31/200 10:40 PM not before we have a patent application to show, a marketing strategy, a tested live script, a corporate structure and a market segment test! Jack 8/31/200 10:40 PM noise? kdhinc 8/31/200 10:41 PM I was getting about 15 lines of text everytime I received from you kdhinc 8/31/200 10:41 PM the last two are clear again... very wierd Jack 8/31/200 10:41 PM I kept re-pasting what you had not mentioned since I thought you had not received it Jack 8/31/200 10:41 PM 1400 characters both times kdhinc 8/31/200 10:41 PM oh Jack 8/31/200 10:42 PM That is the timeline. Angels are getting 15% interest of company kdhinc 8/31/200 10:43 PM Over next six weeks, my responsibility would be to get a working product out, documentation, and test results. Jack 8/31/200 10:43 PM For a first round of 500,000 maybe, a second 2 to 4 mil. Jack 8/31/200 10:43 PM 1 week kdhinc 8/31/200 10:43 PM sorry, didn't mean to step on you. Jack 8/31/200 10:43 PM test results will most likely be done here Jack 8/31/200 10:43 PM Just working code Jack 8/31/200 10:44 PM Remember that is being done by India, but to not repeat I will say your task Jack 8/31/200 10:44 PM market test Jack 8/31/200 10:44 PM random user opinion, of course we can run ads wherever we want and direct to website for free trial rightz? Jack 8/31/200 10:45 PM go..... kdhinc 8/31/200 10:46 PM Yes, we can have ads at many sites. We can also use family, friends, friends of family.... Amazing what a great set of testers you can get from this group of people. Jack 8/31/200 10:46 PM David, we have no definition of your involvement as yet. We have a succesful marketer as point lead, John Prest, then myself (idea man extroardinaire) then you and a handful of programmers, not to mention the law firm that handles Microsoft. Jack 8/31/200 10:47 PM I agree, so code code code, test test test, is what you and I will do, and you will capture on paper every single thought you have to be called upon for company growth, marketing etc.. Jack 8/31/200 10:48 PM in the near future, but we must focus on application/functionality, growability (nationeide/intl) and user accuracy. Jack 8/31/200 10:50 PM loooking over your resume,you will oversee programming, taking the app to the web (future interface development) and whatever you can offer as far as marketing and future development. Does this sit right with you? Jack 8/31/200 10:51 PM hello Jack 8/31/200 10:51 PM hello Jack 8/31/200 10:51 PM hello kdhinc 8/31/200 10:51 PM Sounds like a good nucleus. Every group needs a good idea guy(you), some one to make the vision a reality (hopefully me), and some one to sell it. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:51 PM Trying to put words in head to words on screen....some times takes a little longer to get fingers working correctly. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:52 PM I like the set up... kdhinc 8/31/200 10:52 PM I like the product.... kdhinc 8/31/200 10:53 PM Need to make the situation work as well... Jack 8/31/200 10:53 PM Gotcha-I agree with your summation. Lets start talking money. Dont be shy, all I can say is no. This is not a strategy for whittling you, just need to hash it out quickly, OK? kdhinc 8/31/200 10:53 PM fine with me Jack 8/31/200 10:53 PM you need what to feel good$ kdhinc 8/31/200 10:55 PM I'm not sure what the market will bear these days. Judging from offers I have received for full time work with startups over the past 18 months, they were in the $150K area with eith stock options or outright stock. kdhinc 8/31/200 10:56 PM I can see we need to look at two salaries, one until money comes in and idea is proved good and another when money comes in...correct? Jack 8/31/200 10:57 PM I am not getting that. I expect to fair at least double others and my check is only 120 this first round. Yes, what you need next 90 days to climb aboard and what is fair (maybe 80k yr and 5%). Something like that???? Jack 8/31/200 10:58 PM 10k month to cover all my expenses etc.., I expect I could go to 150k yr after but being we have stock and we should see market in 6 mos, or exit strategy by 2 years we should not rob ourselves? kdhinc 8/31/200 11:00 PM i agree that we should not steal from ourselves....wanted a starting point.... Jack 8/31/200 11:00 PM We need to calrify, lets start with can you hold on for 3 to 6 weeks til first round and then take a $2-5k consultant fee for interim. We will then obviously have justification to build you in by then as we dont know what the hell we are doing (does that make you feel important-lol) Jack 8/31/200 11:01 PM its OK, kinda infair for me to force you to come with number but I do not want to squeeze you unless it cannot be real kdhinc 8/31/200 11:02 PM I wish I could type as wellas I think ... Jack 8/31/200 11:02 PM call me at 1 808 545 1000 Jack 8/31/200 11:02 PM or I can call you if you prefer kdhinc 8/31/200 11:02 PM do you have a mic Jack 8/31/200 11:03 PM no kdhinc 8/31/200 11:03 PM forgot, you have an XP issue Jack 8/31/200 11:03 PM yep kdhinc 8/31/200 11:04 PM I'll call in a second....just for future reference, 630-993-0889 is my office number Jack 8/31/200 11:04 PM Ill call you Jack 8/31/200 11:04 PM ok kdhinc 8/31/200 11:04 PM ok